ME: So tell me your views. Do you feel people are born gay, even though humans are only born biologically male, female and intersex/bisexual?
Him: I don't think being gay is a choice. (well I speak for myself)
ME: ok...just trying to understand. How can a person 'be gay', if no human or animal can be 'born gay'. Where does the 'gay' come from? Biologically humans are only male, female or intersex/bisexual. That's it.
HIM: I don't think it's about whether u are born gay or not..it's about attraction..
ME: ok...so are you saying that you are not born gay, but your 'attraction' is what is gay?
HIM: I am born as me.. I can't explain why I am attracted to this or that.. ....
ME: ok. that helps. Do you think that instead of looking for an answer and 'gay' was being marketed heavily in the media, you kinda just settled for 'being gay' so you won't have to think about it anymore?
HIM: I don't classify myself as anything but (name)..who happens to like guys...
ME: good deal. so do you think that anyone is 'born' gay? Just seeing what's on your mind (name).
HIM: I can't really answer that. I answer questions based on how they factor into my life. I don't think it's good to generalize things..
ME: I hear you. But we are just talking about basic human biology that is not 'individual', meaning that we don't get a choice in the matter since humans are only biologically born male, female or intersex/bisexual. So it's not if people want to 'believe' they were born gay, democrat, or Christian, but just based on basic biology.
I ask this because so many guys are stuck in an endless loop, of basing their whole life on a myth, when they never even stop to look at the facts so that they can make better choices going forward.
But very similar to how we started, he claims he is gay, when facts are presented, he was not born gay, but 'something'. I think it's the biologically Intersex/Bisexual term that they don't want to own. What do you think?
HIM: society terms everything...so people fall into all kinds of categories.. I don't think it's about exploring further.. it's how society has "termed" it..
ME: Interesting perspective. But remember, YOU are that society. It's so easy to blame 'society' for our choices, because it really has no face or name, but all along it's the individual that is the cause and effect. But one thing about biology is that is does not follow any society concepts.
Then again, if it was based on society, why would so many males 'choose' the gay lifestyle based on sex and sexual attraction, when it's guaranteed to have them rejected from our society, to where they must belong to the gay 'community'.
HIM: just by that fact alone..why would anyone choose something "knowingly" that is going to have them rejected by society?
ME: BINGO!
1. Joining the gay group is a CHOICE.
2. Being born with a level of the Intersex/bisexual condition is NOT a Choice.
3. Males born Intersex/bisexual will Naturally be attracted to both genders because they are mentally and or physically both genders
4. Males will always 'admire' what he wants for himself, more masculinity, more muscularity, more confidence, bigger car, bigger house, faster car, bigger TV, etc
5. Its only when he starts to masturbate to those things he 'admires' does he crate a sexual 'bond' with those things he admires.
6. This is why it's never really going to be about the person. But only the 'attributes' he 'admires' or wants for himself or feels lacking in himself.
7. Friendship is what the intersex/bisexual male is looking for, but the consistent masturbation makes that virtually impossible, because his criteria for a friend, must also meet his exaggerated criteria for the male 'attributes' that he has created a sexual 'bond' with.
Is any of this starting to make sense to you now?
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